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mynott45
18th April 2012, 14:14
I've just finished designing and installing a 2,000L (approx 500gal) water tank system which only cost me $200 for the tanks and about $15 in fittings, I already had the pump, but they're about $160 or so.

I know people have stored water in IBC's before, but I'd not seen any being stacked, this system allows IBC's to stack as high as you want (within Safety) and connect up and infinate number depending on your water storage needs, the more you get the larger the economies of scale as you only ever need one pump.

Shopping List Below (per one stack of 2 IBC's)
1) 2 x IBC

**connecting the tanks**
2) 2 x Fitting/converter from outlet spout thread to normal plumbing thread (they supplied this free when I bought the IBC)
3) Reducer from Converter size to your pipe size (I used 25mm/1inch pipe) Honestly only 'cause that's what Murray Does!!
4) 1 x 25mm t piece, 1 x 25mm x 90deg bend, lengths of 25mm pipe

** the vent and overflow**
5) 1 x 50mm tank fitting (i had to use a sink/bath drain assembly as the hardware store were out of tank fittings.
6) 1 x 50mm thread adaptor, 1 x 90 degree bend 50mm, 1 x 50mmm T-piece, lengths of 50mm pipe
7 pipe glue (pressure/green glue)

**pump assembly**
8) pump
9) associated pump attachments as per specific pump requirements.

Method

Quite simply you stick one IBC on top of the other, screw in the fittings, I added silicone to the threaded areas for extra anti leaking, cut the length of 25mm so the 2 tanks are connected. You want the bottom tank to have a t piece positioned so one opening points directly forward, the other to the sky, the forward opening is where the pump will attach, the skyward one connects to the 90 bend from the top IBC outlet. You'll see in the photo that I then connected a 90 degree to the pump, this was just to stop the hose from Kinking, and may not be necessary with your set up.

At the top of the bottom tank, as pictured, put in your tank fitting/drain assembly.

Now the height of this vent is the maximum height you want the water in your top tank to be, you use a t-piece so that when the bottom tank fills with water the displaced air has somewhere to go with as little effort of possible so as to balance the pressure as quickly as possible.

stick the t piece on and connect the run off to wherever you want to go (could be additional tanks, or storm water etc...

Connect your guttering to the top as you would a normal tank, I used a bit of spray foam to stop mossies and junk falling in the tank.

And that's it, stackable, scalable, cheap... approximate costs sill be 2000L for about $400, 3000L for $520, 4000L for $640, 5000L for $760, 6000L for $880, 7000 for 1000 fully plumbed and pumped, pretty good going I reckon!!!

The Pump cover I got for about $17 from a hardware warehouse for about $15

Happy to answer any questions,

PS I usually don't glue any of my AP connections...but I found with the pressures here it's best to do so and I got a few little leaks here and there.

On a side note just uploaded the photos and the last looks like the system is on a massive lean, that's just my bad photography, it's all pretty straight.

RupertofOZ
18th April 2012, 18:32
Ok... so you can stack IBC's on top of one another.... but...

Why???

mynott45
18th April 2012, 21:53
Space saving for places with little footprint, I didn't have any more room to go sideways, but could go up, the same is said for my parents house they'll get 3,000L in a square Metre... and they've only got a spare square.. Why wouldn't you?

Jumpstart
18th April 2012, 22:00
how are you going to get your fish out of the bottom tank?

mynott45
18th April 2012, 22:14
No fish, this is just rain water storage, the fish tanks are in another part of the yard

Jumpstart
18th April 2012, 22:18
ahh roger that ;)

RupertofOZ
18th April 2012, 22:50
Ah OK... had exactly the same thought... how do you get the fish out... :D

Walks-In-Storms
19th April 2012, 02:21
Really interesting, "mynott45" - I'm going to have to do something similar (soon, I hope). Do the IBC container frameworks support the weight involved, or do you have additional bulwark I can't see (for some reason only my dimwit computer knows, part of your post is blacked out)? That much water seems to me to weigh more than pipe, even steel, would support (or is stack-ability the reason they are designed and configured as they are by the manuracturer?_/

I'll come back and read more carefully, but I get more interested in these "IBC" ("totes" is it?) containers every day.

toraman
19th April 2012, 08:37
I had a warning label on my last lot of IBCs saying the max weight to be stacked on top of one IBC is 1600kg. So if you have 3000L on 1sqm you would be overloading the bottom IBC. Though I imagine they are over engineered enough to take the extra 400kg Whistling

You will have to add a breather tube on top of all IBCs - I've had an IBC bladder balloon out and actually bulge the metal cage due to having the top cap on tight while gravity feeding from only a 500L tub at a higher level. Water and time is a surprisingly powerful combination :)

Nice work...I just had a look at the photos. I am thinking to do the same sort of thing as a cost saving water storage solution and mate is already doing a similar thing. As added safety maybe wire/bolt or screw the IBCs together (never can be too careful). I would extend the breather to the top of the top IBC but I like how you went about installing the bottom breather... obviously you managed to get your arm in to install the fitting ok.

I love IBCs, I reckon IBSs can do anything, LOL I'll like to build a house out of 'em. Just need a way to make them look neater + remember they will break down due to the suns UV rays so maybe 90% shadecloth covers need to be added or maybe galvanised corrugated iron cladding?

Thanks for sharing :p

scottefontay
21st April 2012, 01:57
I used to get barrels of methanol at a fuel transfer station when I made biodiesel back in the day. They used to stack totes full of motor oil 3 high. Oil is lighter than water but still a lot of weight on the bottom tote.

mynott45
1st May 2012, 01:05
Sorry for not responding sooner, I've been out bush,

I have found a little ballooning but not enough to bend metal, it could be completely rectified by shutting off the bottoms tote once it was full, but I'm too lazy for that!

definitely need breather tubes for all totes, if you don't you'll not get a full tank and get some suction issues when pumping, (learnt that the hard way)

Whilst I don't normally glue my pipes I definitely recommend it here (again learnt the hard way)

On another note if you can't source the tank fittings, or are trying to save cash, I used a normal sink drain attachment from bunnings for about 5 bucks, I drilled a hole with a hole saw, then softened the plastic with a heat gun and tightened the bejesus out the drian whilst the plastic was still hot, worked a treat and hasn't leaked at all, the tank fittings have less of a f*&k around factor, but can be hard to get and 3 times the price.

good luck, happy to answer any other questions, don't forget to paint the things if they're in the sun!!!