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    Thanks for all the info Yabbies that has been a great help.

    I checked the water this morning after adding the 3ppm of salt yesterday. It looks like the PH has jumped from 7.0 up to 7.6 overnight. Should I be concerned or is this normal when introducing salt? I have some hydrochloric acid, i am considering trying to lower the ph back down to 7, would this be a good idea?

    Ammonia has slightly increased to 1.5 and still no readying for nitrites or nitrates...

    One other fish has been looking quite unwell, doing a bit of upside down swimming, i was going to pull him out this morning but thought I would give them until the end of the day to see if he can get back on track.

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    Yep... I've found pH will tend to go up a bit when you add salt. I salted my 600L Murray Cod aquarium to 3ppt on the weekend and the pH went from 7.0 to 7.2

    Don't add the acid directly to your system, it will more than likely just drop the pH for a couple of hours and then it will bounce back up to where it was.

    You would be better off treating any top up water to a pH of 6.0 a few hours, or the day before use, this will consume any carbonates in the water, which buffer the pH up. Overtime this method will gradually reduce the carbonate level in your system water and the pH will come down.

    When you add the pH 6.0 top-up water to your system it will slightly drop the pH in the system, so be careful not to add too much at one time. If you have to add a fair amount then do it in stages, maybe 1/3 at a time and a couple of siphon F&D cycles apart, or about 20-30 mins. Top-ups should be done regularly to avoid adding too much at one time. Also, you shouldn't drop the sytem pH by more than 0.2 or 0.3 per day.

    With the Amm at 1.5 I'd be contemplating a 1/3 water change. If you have some "aged" water, or rain water you can add to the system. If not I would get some de-chlor from the pet store and dechlorinate enough tap water for a 1/3 water change. Don't feed the fish, or add any more Seasol, or anything that may produce Ammonia, until you've managed to get the Ammonia down. Fish can go days or weeks without food.

    It's adviseable in the early days of running a system, especially if you are cycling with fish, to have a supply of aged, or rain water, ready to add to the system in cases like this. It's as easy as buying a blue plastic 205L drum (cleaned and fish/food safe), cutting the top out, fitting a small pump (500L) and a spray bar, see pic below, and aerating the water for 24hrs. If you can place the drum in full sun it will work even better.

    Also, make sure you have plenty of aeration in your FT, especially when your Nitrites start to show up.

    Cheers, Yabbies.
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    So I got home today and the fish are not looking healthy. Ammonia was over 2.0 so I did a 10% water change, would have done more but didn't have more than 70l to hold the aged water. My only other option is to use tap water....

    I think I will get some de-chlor tomorrow and do a full third water change, let's hope they survive the night..,

    On a positive note I am seeing great growth in the veggies and lots of seeds have germinated after just 6 days...

    I am now regretting not cycling the system without fish, it would have been a much better option

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    Another 10% water change with tap water... will be fine...

    Don't use dechlorinator... and don't feed....

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    Ok thanks John. I had a look at the fish this morning and they did seem healthier and more active than last night. I changed another 60l into the system (10%) so hopefully they will get through this.

    Ammonia reading this morning was the same as last night. 2.0, although it is quite difficult to tell exactly looking at the colors.

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    Just curious Rupe, why only 10%?

    The Amm went from 1.5 to 2.0 within 24hrs and there is no sign of Nitrites or bacteria activity yet. I would've thought it'd be better to get the Amm down with a 1/4 -1/3 water change, as long as it doesn't alter the system pH too far in one hit, then monitor and do more frequent smaller water changes until the system cycles.
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    A 10% change with tap water, that's almost certainly chlorinated, and possibly perhaps chloromined... is safe IMO...

    And he'd already done a 10% change previously..... and could do further 10% changes if required...

    The post referred to using tap water as an emergency water change... and as he's both uncycled, and salted... with unknown pH.... and temperature....

    That was the initial safe recommendation.... along with the immediate, and continued cessation of feeding....

    You had already addressed the concept of adjusting the top up water pH.... and as you say... further monitoring and/or small water changes may well be required...

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    Mate, I have have just come through a few battles myself and they can be heart breaking to say the least. Your asking the right questions, and acting with all the right intensions. Keep at it it brother! and please understand that once your system cycles and balances out it is so easy its almost boring (with regard to monitoring water). At the same time this is when it gets really really exciting with great plant growth, understanding iron requirements etc and the buzz of aquaponics takes hold. Before you know it your getting your friends involved and offering your advice from your experiance and knowledge.
    Keep at it mate and in the end the death of a few fish makes you ensure those deaths are not in vein....lest we forget!
    '...such is life...'

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    Awesome post, thanks monahs!

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    After 9 days of having the fish in the tank the Ammonia has finally started to drop and there are now signs of Nitrates. Here are the latest levels...

    PH: 7.5
    Ammonia: 0.75
    Nitrate: 1.0

    The ammonia was up to almost 4.0 a few days before so I am very happy. Fish are looking a lot more active and I gave them a very small amount of food today as they have not eaten for a week.

    2-3 of the fish have some open wounds on their tails. This was in the same areas where I have been seeing some white patches on their skin when the water quality was not good. I am guessing that some sort of parasite has been eating away at them while their immune system is down. Does that sounds like a fair assumption? Although the flesh is exposed, the wound does look a lot healthier than it did a few days ago. Should I be concerned or will this heal up now the water is better?

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    Keep your salt levels up to at least 3ppt if your fish have wounds.... 6ppt would be even better...

    Don't forget to resalt if/when you exchange any water...

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